He Lies!!
Leuk dat je zelf hier vertelt wat LDN met je doet
Nog best spannend want je bent er nog maar net mee begonnen
Ik volg je in ieder geval
liefs
Margreet
LDN (Low Dose Naltrexone)
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Even een vraag:
Mijn dochter is "ingestort", alee, ziek van zondag, met alle symptomen, keelpijn... doodmoe, en ze blijft heel erg moe.
2 weken geleden had ze weer heel erg herpes, antibioticakuur gehad, en ze is nadien begonnen met Isoprinosine, wat ze voorgeschreven gekregen had van DML.
Maar volgens ik lees mag dit niet samen met LDN??
Wat zou ik best doen, haar de Isoprinosine verder laten nemen, of gewoon ook beginnen met de LDN en dan de Isoprinosine maar laten?
Mijn dochter is "ingestort", alee, ziek van zondag, met alle symptomen, keelpijn... doodmoe, en ze blijft heel erg moe.
2 weken geleden had ze weer heel erg herpes, antibioticakuur gehad, en ze is nadien begonnen met Isoprinosine, wat ze voorgeschreven gekregen had van DML.
Maar volgens ik lees mag dit niet samen met LDN??
Wat zou ik best doen, haar de Isoprinosine verder laten nemen, of gewoon ook beginnen met de LDN en dan de Isoprinosine maar laten?
Onder LDN gebruikers zijn best mensen die regelmatig een glaasje wijn drinken
lijkt me verstandig om dat niet te doen in de beginperiode als je lichaam nog aan de LDN wennen moet
Waar les jij dat Isoprinosine en LDN niet samen gaan?
Ik ken dit middel niet
hier wat info over medicjnen die niet samengaan met LDN
Do not take Naltrexone with any of the following without first consulting your doctor:
• disulfiram (Antabuse®);
• thioridazine (Mellaril®);
• buprenorphine (Buprenex®, Subutrex®);
• codeine (Tylenol with Codeine®, and other brand names);
• hydrocodone (Lorcet®, Lortab®, Vicodin®, Vicoprofen®, and other brand names);
• hydromorphone (Dilaudid®);
• levorphanol (Levo-Dromoran®);
• meperidine (Demerol®);
• methadone (Dolophine®, Methadose®);
• morphine (Kadian®, MS Contin®, MSIR®, OMS®, Roxanol®, Oramorph SR®, and other brand names);
• oxycodone (M-Oxy®, OxyContin®, OxyIR®, Roxicodone®, Percocet®, Percodan®, and other brand names);
• oxymorphone (Numorphan®);
• propoxyphene (Darvon®, and other brand names).
Novantrone®
Rebif®
Avonex®
Betaseron®
Tysabri®
Cautionary warnings
Because LDN blocks opioid receptors throughout the body for three or four hours, people using medicine that is an opioid agonist, i.e., a narcotic (such as morphine, Percocet®, Duragesic Patch® or codeine-containing medication) should not take LDN until such medicine is completely out of one's system. Patients who have become dependant on daily use of narcotic-containing pain medication may require 10 days to 2 weeks of slowly weaning off of such drugs entirely (while first substituting full doses of non-narcotic pain medications) before being able to begin LDN safely.
In regard to the use steroids, chemotherapeutic agents, and other immunosuppressants to treat multiple sclerosis and other autoimmune diseases, Dr. M.R. Lawrence, an English physician with MS who treats his condition with LDN, has this to say:
Because LDN stimulates the immune system and many of the drugs routinely used by the NHS in the treatment of MS [and other autoimmune conditions] further suppress the immune system, LDN cannot be used in company with steroids, beta interferon, methotrexate, azathioprine or mitozantrone or any other immune suppressant drug. If there is any doubt, please submit [to your doctor] a full list of the drugs you are presently taking so that their compatibility may be assessed.
Dr. Lawrence has suggested a non-steroidal protocol for treating MS exacerbations. For more information, visit
http://tinyurl.com/treating-ms-relapses
Prednisone in daily doses for adults of 10 mg or less is not considered immunosuppressive.
To date, the only clinical trial of LDN that did not have any positive results whatsoever was conducted in Ohio in 2007 with a group of MS patients. The lead investigator explained the unfortunate outcome of the study as follows:
We did not exclude patients on existing immunosuppressants...The existing immunosuppressants may have inhibited the LDN effects in this population.
Another study of LDN in the treatment of MS was conducted in California. Here, too, the participants were allowed to take MS disease-modifying drugs concurrently with LDN. The only significant benefit shown was psychological. Not a single physical parameter was affected.
Of the various drugs currently approved to treat MS, only Copaxone is deemed compatible with LDN.
Painkillers approved for use with LDN include Moxxor, aspirin, Tylenol®, Advil®, Motrin®, Aleve®, Naprosyn®, Ansaid®, Dolobid®, Orudis®, Voltaren®, Feldene®, Mobic®, and the food supplement, DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA). DLPA, which is also said to enhance the effectiveness of LDN, should be taken twice a day on an empty stomach in doses of 500 mg. It should not, however, be used by people with high blood pressure. For additional precautions, visit
http://tinyurl.com/34enev
In regard to alcohol consumption concurrent with taking LDN, Dr. Skip Lenz, a Florida pharmacist, has this to say:
One of the uses of LDN is to help alcoholics get off the juice. You should never use alcohol and LDN at the same time. Now, there will be folks who say they always have had a drink with no problems; on the other side of the coin, I know of several dozen cases where the patient has had projectile vomiting.
Alcohol is also a neurotoxin, even in small amounts.
Drugs That May Interact With Low Dose Naltrexone - Generic Name (Brand Name*)
Mixed Opiate Agonists/Antagonists
Buprenorphine (Buprenex®, Suboxone®, Subutex®)
Butorphanol (Dorolex®, Stadol®)
Nalbuphine (Nubain®)
Pentazocine (Naloxone®, Talwin®)
Opiate Agonists
Alfentinil (Alfenta®)
Clonidine (Catapres®)
Codeine (N/A)
Dronabinol THC (Marinol®)
Fentanyl (Duragesic®, Aqtic®, Sublimaze®, Fentora®)
Hydrocodone (Lorcet®, Lortab®, Vicodin®)
Hydromorphone (Dilaudid®
Levorphanol (Levo-Dromoran®
Meperidine (Demerol®, Meperitab®)
Methadone (Dolophine®, Methodose®)
Morphine (Kadian®, MSContin®)
Oxycodone (Percocet®, Endocet®, Roxicodone®, Endocodone®)
Oxymorphone (Opana®, Numorphone®)
Propoxyphene (Darvocet®, Darvon®)
Remifentinil (Ultiva®)
Sufentinil (Sufenta®)
Tramadol (Ultram®)
Other Medications
Disulfuram (Antabuse®)
Nabilone (Cesamet®)
Thioridazine (Mellaril®)
Clonidine (Catapres®)
* May not include each brand name available on the market in the United States
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If, despite the information presented above, you still have unanswered questions about what drugs can be taken concurrently with LDN, please contact Dr. Skip Lenz, a Florida pharmacist and LDN expert. His e-mail address is
skipthepharm@aol.com
lijkt me verstandig om dat niet te doen in de beginperiode als je lichaam nog aan de LDN wennen moet
Waar les jij dat Isoprinosine en LDN niet samen gaan?
Ik ken dit middel niet
hier wat info over medicjnen die niet samengaan met LDN
Do not take Naltrexone with any of the following without first consulting your doctor:
• disulfiram (Antabuse®);
• thioridazine (Mellaril®);
• buprenorphine (Buprenex®, Subutrex®);
• codeine (Tylenol with Codeine®, and other brand names);
• hydrocodone (Lorcet®, Lortab®, Vicodin®, Vicoprofen®, and other brand names);
• hydromorphone (Dilaudid®);
• levorphanol (Levo-Dromoran®);
• meperidine (Demerol®);
• methadone (Dolophine®, Methadose®);
• morphine (Kadian®, MS Contin®, MSIR®, OMS®, Roxanol®, Oramorph SR®, and other brand names);
• oxycodone (M-Oxy®, OxyContin®, OxyIR®, Roxicodone®, Percocet®, Percodan®, and other brand names);
• oxymorphone (Numorphan®);
• propoxyphene (Darvon®, and other brand names).
Novantrone®
Rebif®
Avonex®
Betaseron®
Tysabri®
Cautionary warnings
Because LDN blocks opioid receptors throughout the body for three or four hours, people using medicine that is an opioid agonist, i.e., a narcotic (such as morphine, Percocet®, Duragesic Patch® or codeine-containing medication) should not take LDN until such medicine is completely out of one's system. Patients who have become dependant on daily use of narcotic-containing pain medication may require 10 days to 2 weeks of slowly weaning off of such drugs entirely (while first substituting full doses of non-narcotic pain medications) before being able to begin LDN safely.
In regard to the use steroids, chemotherapeutic agents, and other immunosuppressants to treat multiple sclerosis and other autoimmune diseases, Dr. M.R. Lawrence, an English physician with MS who treats his condition with LDN, has this to say:
Because LDN stimulates the immune system and many of the drugs routinely used by the NHS in the treatment of MS [and other autoimmune conditions] further suppress the immune system, LDN cannot be used in company with steroids, beta interferon, methotrexate, azathioprine or mitozantrone or any other immune suppressant drug. If there is any doubt, please submit [to your doctor] a full list of the drugs you are presently taking so that their compatibility may be assessed.
Dr. Lawrence has suggested a non-steroidal protocol for treating MS exacerbations. For more information, visit
http://tinyurl.com/treating-ms-relapses
Prednisone in daily doses for adults of 10 mg or less is not considered immunosuppressive.
To date, the only clinical trial of LDN that did not have any positive results whatsoever was conducted in Ohio in 2007 with a group of MS patients. The lead investigator explained the unfortunate outcome of the study as follows:
We did not exclude patients on existing immunosuppressants...The existing immunosuppressants may have inhibited the LDN effects in this population.
Another study of LDN in the treatment of MS was conducted in California. Here, too, the participants were allowed to take MS disease-modifying drugs concurrently with LDN. The only significant benefit shown was psychological. Not a single physical parameter was affected.
Of the various drugs currently approved to treat MS, only Copaxone is deemed compatible with LDN.
Painkillers approved for use with LDN include Moxxor, aspirin, Tylenol®, Advil®, Motrin®, Aleve®, Naprosyn®, Ansaid®, Dolobid®, Orudis®, Voltaren®, Feldene®, Mobic®, and the food supplement, DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA). DLPA, which is also said to enhance the effectiveness of LDN, should be taken twice a day on an empty stomach in doses of 500 mg. It should not, however, be used by people with high blood pressure. For additional precautions, visit
http://tinyurl.com/34enev
In regard to alcohol consumption concurrent with taking LDN, Dr. Skip Lenz, a Florida pharmacist, has this to say:
One of the uses of LDN is to help alcoholics get off the juice. You should never use alcohol and LDN at the same time. Now, there will be folks who say they always have had a drink with no problems; on the other side of the coin, I know of several dozen cases where the patient has had projectile vomiting.
Alcohol is also a neurotoxin, even in small amounts.
Drugs That May Interact With Low Dose Naltrexone - Generic Name (Brand Name*)
Mixed Opiate Agonists/Antagonists
Buprenorphine (Buprenex®, Suboxone®, Subutex®)
Butorphanol (Dorolex®, Stadol®)
Nalbuphine (Nubain®)
Pentazocine (Naloxone®, Talwin®)
Opiate Agonists
Alfentinil (Alfenta®)
Clonidine (Catapres®)
Codeine (N/A)
Dronabinol THC (Marinol®)
Fentanyl (Duragesic®, Aqtic®, Sublimaze®, Fentora®)
Hydrocodone (Lorcet®, Lortab®, Vicodin®)
Hydromorphone (Dilaudid®
Levorphanol (Levo-Dromoran®
Meperidine (Demerol®, Meperitab®)
Methadone (Dolophine®, Methodose®)
Morphine (Kadian®, MSContin®)
Oxycodone (Percocet®, Endocet®, Roxicodone®, Endocodone®)
Oxymorphone (Opana®, Numorphone®)
Propoxyphene (Darvocet®, Darvon®)
Remifentinil (Ultiva®)
Sufentinil (Sufenta®)
Tramadol (Ultram®)
Other Medications
Disulfuram (Antabuse®)
Nabilone (Cesamet®)
Thioridazine (Mellaril®)
Clonidine (Catapres®)
* May not include each brand name available on the market in the United States
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If, despite the information presented above, you still have unanswered questions about what drugs can be taken concurrently with LDN, please contact Dr. Skip Lenz, a Florida pharmacist and LDN expert. His e-mail address is
skipthepharm@aol.com
Ik kan geen drie slokken alcohol drinken zonder extreem ziek te worden. Heb de indruk dat mijn lijf uit elkaar valt.
Trouwens LDN wordt gegevens om verslaving tegen te gaan ... dat is dus geen goede combinatie met verslavende middelen inclusief alcohol.
Alcohol is trouwens belastend voor je lever. Ik ga het mezelf niet moeilijker maken dan het al is.
Trouwens LDN wordt gegevens om verslaving tegen te gaan ... dat is dus geen goede combinatie met verslavende middelen inclusief alcohol.
Alcohol is trouwens belastend voor je lever. Ik ga het mezelf niet moeilijker maken dan het al is.
http://opstaanmetmecvs.blogspot.com
Het is makkelijker een atoom te splitsen dan een vooroordeel. - Einstein
Be critical and use your own judgement when using this information. - Marlène R.
Het is makkelijker een atoom te splitsen dan een vooroordeel. - Einstein
Be critical and use your own judgement when using this information. - Marlène R.
Voor mij geen probleem want ik ben allergisch voor alcohol 
maar voor mij veel erger: ik was verslaafd aan cola/cola light/cola lemon..... minimaal 1 liter per dag.... en nu drink ik de hele dag groene thee of eikeltjes koffie. Maar weet je, ik heb het er voor over! Heel af en toe smokkel ik gewoon. Moet kunnen!
maar voor mij veel erger: ik was verslaafd aan cola/cola light/cola lemon..... minimaal 1 liter per dag.... en nu drink ik de hele dag groene thee of eikeltjes koffie. Maar weet je, ik heb het er voor over! Heel af en toe smokkel ik gewoon. Moet kunnen!@ Greta, Ik bedoelde inderdaad de Naltrexone
maar ik ga de test niet wagen
Alcohol verteerde ik al niet voor de LDN ...
maar ik ga de test niet wagen
Alcohol verteerde ik al niet voor de LDN ...http://opstaanmetmecvs.blogspot.com
Het is makkelijker een atoom te splitsen dan een vooroordeel. - Einstein
Be critical and use your own judgement when using this information. - Marlène R.
Het is makkelijker een atoom te splitsen dan een vooroordeel. - Einstein
Be critical and use your own judgement when using this information. - Marlène R.
Oke, ik ben juist terug thuis van bij De poort.
De arts heeft de LDN voorgeschreven, maar het kan nog wel even duren vooraleer ik die thuis heb.
Verder weinig spectaculair te melden, ik dacht dat hij mss nog de qEEG zou doen, maar dat heeft ie niet gedaan, heb er ook niet achter gevraagd.
Vond het wel duur voor wat het was, spijtig dat mijn dokter het niet voorgeschreven had; Maar ja, mss toch niet slecht om int begin wat opvolging te hebben.
Hopelijk krijg ik het snel thuis!
De arts heeft de LDN voorgeschreven, maar het kan nog wel even duren vooraleer ik die thuis heb.
Verder weinig spectaculair te melden, ik dacht dat hij mss nog de qEEG zou doen, maar dat heeft ie niet gedaan, heb er ook niet achter gevraagd.
Vond het wel duur voor wat het was, spijtig dat mijn dokter het niet voorgeschreven had; Maar ja, mss toch niet slecht om int begin wat opvolging te hebben.
Hopelijk krijg ik het snel thuis!